From clemc at ccc.com Fri Aug 5 23:33:05 2022 From: clemc at ccc.com (Clem Cole) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2022 09:33:05 -0400 Subject: [COFF] [TUHS] Re: The MGR window system and the Macintosh In-Reply-To: <3e226172-b395-f5c1-df2c-b383024a08df@bitsavers.org> References: <6a4c75af-0fe4-1056-6421-2e473948c07b@jfloren.net> <566D98A2-B976-44A9-BD53-F10ECC7E24BC@iitbombay.org> <65dd4b96-d08d-610e-5fa7-d228f093b78d@spamtrap.tnetconsulting.net> <3e226172-b395-f5c1-df2c-b383024a08df@bitsavers.org> Message-ID: This thread needs to move to COFF to continue - although my own story is 1/2 about BSD and the VAX. On Thu, Aug 4, 2022 at 10:15 PM Al Kossow wrote: > On 8/4/22 5:37 PM, Andrew Newman wrote: > > > There's a bunch of AED documentation online, including this... > > > > http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/aed/brochures/AED_767_Brochure_Jun82.pdf < > http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/aed/brochures/AED_767_Brochure_Jun82.pdf> > > I worked at AED before going to Apple, to stay sort of window related, the > last project I worked on at AED was > a VME and Qbus board set that was a complete color X terminal. > I had to chuckle when I read that. In the fall of '82 (I think), we got a Smalltalk VM from PARC at UCB. Dave Unger, Ken Keller, and I - plus some other folks in Patterson's systems seminar who's names I have since forgotten, wrote a VM in C for the VAX/BSD. We used an AED512 and Keller's graphics library from his thesis running over a 19.2 serial link as the output. About a month after we had it running, a couple of us got to visit PARC, and Peter Deutch showed us Smalltalk running on a Dorado. He ran his hand with the mouse across the screen opening and closing a bunch of windows randomly. We started laughing and Peter asked us what was so funny. We told him what he did would have taken at least 5 minutes to redisplay on BSD/VAX version. Clem ᐧ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From athornton at gmail.com Sat Aug 6 00:55:24 2022 From: athornton at gmail.com (Adam Thornton) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2022 07:55:24 -0700 Subject: [COFF] [TUHS] Re: The MGR window system and the Macintosh In-Reply-To: References: <6a4c75af-0fe4-1056-6421-2e473948c07b@jfloren.net> <566D98A2-B976-44A9-BD53-F10ECC7E24BC@iitbombay.org> <65dd4b96-d08d-610e-5fa7-d228f093b78d@spamtrap.tnetconsulting.net> <3e226172-b395-f5c1-df2c-b383024a08df@bitsavers.org> Message-ID: I'm fairly certain that in my very early Linux experiments (0.09, maybe?) I used mgr for a while because X only supported the Tseng ET-4000 (something like that) video card, which I didn't have. I remember finding it completely usable. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at horsfall.org Sat Aug 6 08:16:37 2022 From: dave at horsfall.org (Dave Horsfall) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2022 08:16:37 +1000 (EST) Subject: [COFF] [TUHS] Re: The MGR window system and the Macintosh In-Reply-To: References: <6a4c75af-0fe4-1056-6421-2e473948c07b@jfloren.net> <566D98A2-B976-44A9-BD53-F10ECC7E24BC@iitbombay.org> <65dd4b96-d08d-610e-5fa7-d228f093b78d@spamtrap.tnetconsulting.net> <3e226172-b395-f5c1-df2c-b383024a08df@bitsavers.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 5 Aug 2022, Adam Thornton wrote: > I'm fairly certain that in my very early Linux experiments (0.09, > maybe?) I used mgr for a while because X only supported the Tseng > ET-4000 (something like that) video card, which I didn't have.  I > remember finding it completely usable. Tseng Labs as I recall, and it was extremely common. -- Dave From dave at horsfall.org Tue Aug 9 11:46:38 2022 From: dave at horsfall.org (Dave Horsfall) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2022 11:46:38 +1000 (EST) Subject: [COFF] [TUHS] Re: The MGR window system and the Macintosh In-Reply-To: References: <6a4c75af-0fe4-1056-6421-2e473948c07b@jfloren.net> Message-ID: [ Moved to COFF ] On Thu, 4 Aug 2022, Dan Cross wrote: [...] > It wasn't particularly notable, or at least didn't leave much of an > impression; it presented a pretty "standard" (and primitive!) > graphical experience. I believe it was monochrome, with amber > on black. It also ran on the Applix 1616, an Aussie designed and built 68000 system; it was pretty much ahead of its time. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Applix_1616 -- Dave From dave at horsfall.org Tue Aug 9 11:50:35 2022 From: dave at horsfall.org (Dave Horsfall) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2022 11:50:35 +1000 (EST) Subject: [COFF] [TUHS] Re: The MGR window system and the Macintosh In-Reply-To: References: <6a4c75af-0fe4-1056-6421-2e473948c07b@jfloren.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 9 Aug 2022, Dave Horsfall wrote: > It also ran on the Applix 1616, an Aussie designed and built 68000 > system; it was pretty much ahead of its time. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Applix_1616 Oops; I forgot the article describing how MGR was ported to said box: http://ericlindsay.com/applix/mgr.pdf -- Dave