Path: menudo.uh.edu!usenet From: thp@essex.ac.uk (T H Pineapple) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.reviews Subject: REVIEW: CD-Joy for the Commodore CDTV Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.hardware Date: 19 Oct 1993 15:52:38 GMT Organization: The Amiga Online Review Column - ed. Daniel Barrett Lines: 204 Sender: amiga-reviews@math.uh.edu (comp.sys.amiga.reviews moderator) Distribution: world Message-ID: <2a12g6$mt3@menudo.uh.edu> Reply-To: thp@essex.ac.uk (T H Pineapple) NNTP-Posting-Host: karazm.math.uh.edu Keywords: hardware, joystick, CDTV, commercial PRODUCT NAME CD-Joy for the Commodore CDTV Or, according to the designer, "Seedy Joy." Hey ho. Pun's Rn't Us. BRIEF DESCRIPTION Internally-fitted hardware widget allowing use of standard joysticks, mice and such input devices with the CDTV. COMPANY INFORMATION Name: Goldtech Computer Systems Address: 67 Turner Road Walthamstow London, E17 3JG England Telephone: +44 <0>81 520 6224 FAX: +44 <0>81 521 6209 E-mail: goldtech@cix.compulink.co.uk LIST PRICE At time of writing, 25 pounds in the UK. HARDWARE CD-Joy is a small PCB (printed circuit board) that plugs into one of the CDTV I/O chip sockets on the motherboard, the displaced chip then plugging into a socket on CD-Joy. The PCB is about 2 inches square, and has a 20-way ribbon cable coming off the side which splits into two 9-way ribbons with a standard joystick socket on each, where port 1 is the ribbon with the coloured edge. It's an elegant system, as it needs no extra chips or components on its board. DOCUMENTATION AND INSTALLATION The A5 instruction sheet contains assembly details as well as installation instructions and diagrams. Originally, GoldTech sold the things in kit form as well as pre-assembled, but stopped this after user problems during assembly. *NOTE*: due to the design, installation VOIDS THE CDTV WARRANTY, so you MUST be reasonably comfortable with "Hacking by the seat of your motherboard" tactics. Installation is straightforward enough. Removal of the CDTV top panel is a game of 4 side screws, 2 back screws and a couple of metal tabs that lock under the front panel. There's no RF shielding in the way -- the motherboard is well-designed and easy to get at, with only one flying lead across the board and all I/O interfaces on ribbon cables that plug in at the edges of the board. The instructions make no mention of static grounding, although I earthed myself beforehand anyway. From then on, it's a case of <1> removing the CSG 252609-02 (lovely memorable name) chip at the very front of the motherboard, <2> plugging it into CD-Joy's board (aligning the chip and socket notches as usual), <3> plugging the CD-Joy board into the empty motherboard socket (it will only fit one way - the CDTV case sees to that), and <4> trailing the 9-way ribbons across to the backplane of the machine and hanging 'em over the back edge. My only complaints with the fitting are the usual ones. Every socket extender I've seen uses circular pins. Chip sockets are designed for flat pins. Wooooo. You've got to use some force to get the board in, but you mustn't bend the pins either. The chip was pretty stiff to get out, too, and a proper chip extraction/insertion tool is a must. Gripe off. Because the CDTV is well packed into the box, you can't get the lid back on unless the CD-Joy board is pushed fully home into place. I recommend you leave the lid off until you've tested the interface. When you reassemble, the 9-way ribbons won't get cut on the backplane, although I keep the lid a little loose just for the cables' safety. CD-JOY IN ACTION ('Back to work. Boot Lotus and fire up Angel Dust...') Games used for testing: Lotus Turbo Challenge II, Llamatron (Robotron 2048 clone on Fish 560) and DragonCave (SokoBan clone on Fish 395 -- may have been withdrawn from the Library) amongst others. According to the operating instructions, you can plug in 2 joysticks, or a joystick and mouse. To activate, you press RIGHT on the CDTV remote control once the CDTV is switched on with program loaded. I've never had to do this - the ports seem to work from power-up anyway. Effectively, the widget gives you the normal Amiga joystick ports OVERLAID onto the action of the CDTV mouse and remote control. In test, the joysticks (Zipstick Super Pro and Cheetah Mach 1+) worked normally, port 1 being combined with the CDTV mouse, port 2 being overlaid onto the IR remote. Of course, you can use the 'sticks or mouse normally, but if you've got a sick and twisted mind and really want to try to confuse the system... In DragonCave, the mouse can be used for selecting icons and the port 1 'stick fire button for confirming, whilst the port 2 'stick or IR remote works the fallback movement system. (Download the game and play it, if this isn't too clear.) With Lotus 2 in two-player mode (one 'stick on each knee... sad or what?), player 1 can have the port 2 'stick for control, with button A on the IR remote for accelerate, and for player 2, the port 1 'stick in combination with accelerate on the left mouse button. There was a dodgy period when the port 2 socket played up with constant RIGHT signal, but that was quicky cured by opening the socket up and pressing the 9-way ribbon cable firmly onto the connection. (It's a press-fit, and it just got a bit loose. I've not had any problems with it since.) Because of the way CD-Joy works, you can leave the joysticks or mice plugged in if you wish to use the CDTV's nice-but-nonstandard wired mouse. According to Ralph at Goldtech, more than one mouse online through CD-Joy may confuse the widget, but I've yet to give it a try. (Anyone for 2-up Lemmings on CD?) OTHER COMPARABLE PRODUCTS (Or 'Take the money! Open the Box!') Another way to get round the joystick problem is via the Brickette, which retails for around 50 pounds, and sits on the mouse port on the back of the CDTV. It's constructed more robustly, is intelligent (read: has its own chip for signal processing), and costs twice as much. It acts like a normal pair of Amiga ports, so you can't leave both sticks plugged in and use the mouse at the same time. And you don't lose your warranty. The choice is yours. High cost, retained warranty, or low cost, high performance. And finally, there's the CDTV IR Trackball, which, as well as the trackball, has 'stick ports and genlock control and plugs into the mouse port. But it costs around 75 pounds. Again, your choice. CONCLUSION Pricewise, it's a great bit of kit, although the CDTV should have had proper joystick ports as standard anyway. Being able to leave everything plugged in is a boon, and reduces the chance of blowing CIA chips if swapping devices when powered up. The joystick sockets could be a little stronger re the ribbon cable fixing, but you can make your own holes and mount them in the CDTV box if needed -- they've got screwholes on each side, and Ralph at Goldtech said he'd done such modifications for a couple of customers. Since my first CDTV review, it seems that Goldtech and Almathera were designing joystick dongles simultaneously, and it was Ralph's unit that went into production. The best dongle won? A lesson for us all, methinks. DISCLAIMER THP is not connected to Goldtech apart from being a paying, harassing customer, listens to Faith No More a lot, and is only vaguely connected with the real world. So no surprises there. Oh, sod this, I'm off for another crack at level 85 on Llamatron.... CONTACT... ...'imself for more CDTV musings, falling over backwards, frightening the general public, jokes that fall over and die, 17 more crap .signatures, sick ways of abusing Unix, taking the piss out of Future Publishing, gigs, wigs, figs, JOB OFFERS (<--Hint) and all the usual licks, moans and groans AT: . . . . . 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